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	<title>Comments on: Design for Firefox first, Internet Explorer second</title>
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		<title>By: Kane</title>
		<link>http://richardkmiller.com/70/design-for-firefox-first-internet-explorer-second/comment-page-1#comment-155386</link>
		<dc:creator>Kane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually stumbled here because I was looking for a &quot;designed for firefox&quot; logo.

It is now 2010, and IE still sucks. I like to follow standards so I go straight to w3c documents and start coding and when firefox came things just worked. IE never does things right. Chrome is really good as well, but I can understand that for large companies like Google it is beneficial to have control of making sure that browsers support the features you went.

I don&#039;t do crazy things with browsers. I use javascript, svg, xml, xhtml and firefox/chrome are the best. Opera is nice but has issues too but Firefox is still king of the hill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-b4f82eaf995f0d9704dd3305ec35e841134d00cb'>I actually stumbled here because I was looking for a &#8220;designed for firefox&#8221; logo.</p>
<p>It is now 2010, and IE still sucks. I like to follow standards so I go straight to w3c documents and start coding and when firefox came things just worked. IE never does things right. Chrome is really good as well, but I can understand that for large companies like Google it is beneficial to have control of making sure that browsers support the features you went.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t do crazy things with browsers. I use javascript, svg, xml, xhtml and firefox/chrome are the best. Opera is nice but has issues too but Firefox is still king of the hill.</p></div>
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		<title>By: FluidZen &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Best Browser For Your Website</title>
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		<dc:creator>FluidZen &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Best Browser For Your Website</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Additional Reading: Others are and have been discussing the topic online. Richard K Miller has a post on the topic on his blog as Remote Synthesis American Chronicle has a good article on designing with web standards Share and Enjoy:These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-82bf6fa5ba19c87b60496e3416e29de060134896'>[...] Additional Reading: Others are and have been discussing the topic online. Richard K Miller has a post on the topic on his blog as Remote Synthesis American Chronicle has a good article on designing with web standards Share and Enjoy:These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]</div>
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		<title>By: Richard K. Miller</title>
		<link>http://richardkmiller.com/70/design-for-firefox-first-internet-explorer-second/comment-page-1#comment-618</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard K. Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 07:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Dave, great to hear from you!  Where can I find your website?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-781638ceff08110e27cb6063c5cd105a241b5e67'>Wow, Dave, great to hear from you!  Where can I find your website?</div>
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		<title>By: David J Hansen</title>
		<link>http://richardkmiller.com/70/design-for-firefox-first-internet-explorer-second/comment-page-1#comment-617</link>
		<dc:creator>David J Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 19:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard,

Glad to see that you&#039;ve designed a website that looks best in firefox.  It looks better in my firefox.  Also the RSS feeds (visible in firefox) makes the perfect touch for an old friend to keep up on the happenings of the man they called &quot;slick&quot;  Keep it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-28713d8718681b4bbbde366dafbd50cba97b97fd'>Richard,</p>
<p>Glad to see that you&#8217;ve designed a website that looks best in firefox.  It looks better in my firefox.  Also the RSS feeds (visible in firefox) makes the perfect touch for an old friend to keep up on the happenings of the man they called &#8220;slick&#8221;  Keep it up.</p></div>
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		<title>By: frootjoos</title>
		<link>http://richardkmiller.com/70/design-for-firefox-first-internet-explorer-second/comment-page-1#comment-576</link>
		<dc:creator>frootjoos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Firefox. It has always annoyed me that tables used for layout don&#039;t display properly in IE unless you remove all spaces between all table code. It already looks fine in Firefox but it&#039;ll show up broken in IE if there are spaces or returns between trs and tds. If you fix it so it looks good in IE as well, it makes it much harder to read and organize your source code.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-1a93f5f97414eeabe51cf6919d6fb25d480ec2de'>I love Firefox. It has always annoyed me that tables used for layout don&#8217;t display properly in IE unless you remove all spaces between all table code. It already looks fine in Firefox but it&#8217;ll show up broken in IE if there are spaces or returns between trs and tds. If you fix it so it looks good in IE as well, it makes it much harder to read and organize your source code.</div>
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		<title>By: Richard K. Miller</title>
		<link>http://richardkmiller.com/70/design-for-firefox-first-internet-explorer-second/comment-page-1#comment-559</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard K. Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2005 07:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Anonymous: That&#039;s great if you want to be a Microsoft fan boy, but the truth is that it&#039;s super easy to install Firefox, you ignored all the other reasons for coding with web standards, and there&#039;s no future in supporting a crusty browser from a monopolist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-781638ceff08110e27cb6063c5cd105a241b5e67'>To Anonymous: That&#8217;s great if you want to be a Microsoft fan boy, but the truth is that it&#8217;s super easy to install Firefox, you ignored all the other reasons for coding with web standards, and there&#8217;s no future in supporting a crusty browser from a monopolist.</div>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://richardkmiller.com/70/design-for-firefox-first-internet-explorer-second/comment-page-1#comment-529</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2005 07:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just don&#039;t buy the argument. Sherpa&#039;s list there seems fallacious and unfounded. And your numbers of 11% penetration for Firefox are higher than I see anywhere else (not that those numbers could ever be accurate anyway). Designing for Firefox first and IE second is the same thinking behind the ADA. Personally, I&#039;d rather not focus my efforts on wheelchair ramps. If I&#039;m printing a book, I don&#039;t publish it in Braille first. Besides.. how big do you really think Firefox market will really get? You think Joe Consumer really has the wherewithal to replace IE as the default browser on his Wintel PC? Get real. Current FUD techniques are powering the growth of Firefox among the fairly tech savvy (they&#039;ve never heard of ActiveX - but they have heard that Microsoft is evil). So, live up the standards compliance. I still think that whatever 90% of the world is doing is a more powerful statement than some third party powerless standards making body.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-8574f44c412e5e0ef9764afb490ee0d10e499633'>I just don&#8217;t buy the argument. Sherpa&#8217;s list there seems fallacious and unfounded. And your numbers of 11% penetration for Firefox are higher than I see anywhere else (not that those numbers could ever be accurate anyway). Designing for Firefox first and IE second is the same thinking behind the ADA. Personally, I&#8217;d rather not focus my efforts on wheelchair ramps. If I&#8217;m printing a book, I don&#8217;t publish it in Braille first. Besides.. how big do you really think Firefox market will really get? You think Joe Consumer really has the wherewithal to replace IE as the default browser on his Wintel PC? Get real. Current FUD techniques are powering the growth of Firefox among the fairly tech savvy (they&#8217;ve never heard of ActiveX &#8211; but they have heard that Microsoft is evil). So, live up the standards compliance. I still think that whatever 90% of the world is doing is a more powerful statement than some third party powerless standards making body.</div>
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		<title>By: &#187; Get Firefox - Russell Page</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Get Firefox - Russell Page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If you want a technical explanation of Firefox&#8217; superiority to IE, let my friend Richard Miller explain it to you. Design for Firefox First, Internet Explorer Second. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-c81c63a76633cbdcc28f153fab6a21ad401fca26'>[...] If you want a technical explanation of Firefox&#8217; superiority to IE, let my friend Richard Miller explain it to you. Design for Firefox First, Internet Explorer Second. [...]</div>
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